165. Ziphoid and the future of SceneSat

🎧 00:00 ericade.radio - Time for Flashback, tracks from the past - today with a scener interview.

StationID 00:00.642 Time for flashback. Tracks from a pass. Today with a scener interview.

🎧 00:06 DJ Daemon introduces SceneSat and Ziphoid.

DJ Daemon 00:06.642 Ziphoid is the power behind the demoscene satellite that circles the parties. The one that makes sure they reach the audience. It's called SceneSat, and it's hard to imagine where we would be today without its capability to broadcast, archive, and present the output of the scene.Autumn of twenty twenty six is soon here and Ziphoid has a brand new site, application and great plans for the SceneSat in the making. On the eighteenth of july twenty twenty six he spoke with Coreus and DJ Daemon on the Edison Demo party in Stockholm, Sweden. Let's go there now and hear the story.

🎧 00:48 Coreus and DJ Daemon interview Ziphoid and talk about SceneSat and the demo scene.

Coreus 00:48.024 Hey DJ Daemon.

DJ Daemon 00:49.024 Hello there.

Coreus 00:51.024 We are back again. We didn't like this didn't think we were gonna do another interview, but actually we're lucky and we we're gonna do one. One more for the road. here at the bar at Edison 2026 in Stockholm, Sweden. We have exact another tie to bowl, the scene.

Coreus 01:14.676 In organized or like commentating fashion and also in infrastructure way I would say. welcome to the bar Ziphoid.

Ziphoid 01:22.946 Yes, thank you. Good to be here.

Coreus 01:25.854 It's we wanted to talk to you actually last year as well, but you're an elusive cat.

Ziphoid 01:32.3 I that that's that's the big problem with having a party in my own hometown because it the the family is always calling and and I can't blame on the fact that hey there's a party going on, but you're just half an hour away. So there are always stuff to do at home. And and this is the bad side of being a at a home party.

Coreus 01:51.338 Of course. We talked to D. Fox earlier and let's jump into a bit of your your connection to Revision.

Ziphoid 01:58.99 basically I went to the l the final breakpoint in twenty ten. Yeah. that was my only breakpoint party I actually went to and I got to know D Fox. I had met him before as well and when I heard that they were starting upA new party after revision or after breakpoints. It's like, yeah, we've been discussing things and and since we did the video streaming or audio streaming actually at at Breakpoint, they they wanted us to do audio on revision as well. And I w I was also voiceovering the scene dot org.

Ziphoid 02:37.982 already two years before that. So it kind of turned natural that I jumped into this and I started off as a quite invested organizer in revision. I did the website for the first couple of years as well, besides doing the the audio book commentary and broadcast. Yeah. And it kind of just been there since. Yeah. In that sense. I I haven't attended that many revisions sadly because of family duties and stuff, but when I go it's it's really good.

Coreus 03:07.81 I feel like every time I watched revision I've seen you truck and what's that last the trio of commentators. It feels like coming home. Yeah. But well what do you what is your role when you go to revision? Is it scene sat which we'll come to in in a little while or is it as a commentator? Because that's what I know you

Ziphoid 03:13.07 Subby. Subby.

Ziphoid 03:32.494 I mean to to be honest, it's in the role of scenes that in the sense a commenter. That's that's true. I'm kind of

DJ Daemon 03:36.782 comment

Ziphoid 03:42.67 A as here at this party as well, I'm a very lightweight organizer in the sense that I don't do the regular duty stuff. I basically basically provide the server side of things for for scenes and for streaming and stuff like that and everything around. And when it comes to revision for instance, I've always supplied the background music for non audible con competitions like graphics competitions and stuff like that. So I yeah, the all the background music.

Coreus 04:06.434 Have some background music.

Ziphoid 04:10.328 Well, it's a curated list of of tracks and people seem to enjoy it because they kinda fit the mood and sort of yeah. So I'm basically available for for anything that is needed when whenever it comes to streaming or whatever. So

Coreus 04:24.222 And talking about music, one of my first experiences with SceneSat is that it was a radio. I thought it was a radio and that was about it. But wow, boy, how mistaken you can be. tell us a bit about what is SceneSat and and how you got started at, like how far back do we go?

Ziphoid 04:43.382 Well I bumped into the radio side of things in two thousand three really. I went to Back in Time Live in in Brighton. my friend Pub Mahoney dragged me there. I got to meet all the original composers from the cover of sixty four, like Martin Galway, Rob Howard, David Whitaker, everyone was there at that point. we're two thousand three. Yeah. and then I got to know the people around Slay Radio, like Slaygon and the surrounding people like

Coreus 05:04.578 What year are we in that?

Ziphoid 05:13.068 We had bars, we had a lot of people who were dealing with the Slay radio and remix inside of things. And then I got to know them a bit more and just hovered around and then in 2005me and well I I jumped into one of the Slay radio shows that was broadcast from Stockholm, the Fleming Show with Andreas Morpheus Wanstrom. And we kind of hit it off and started doing co-broadcasts at that point. So I in two thousand six, early January two thousand six I did my first own show on Sleigh Radio.

Coreus 05:47.124 you were a radio host, you're having your own DJ way.

Ziphoid 05:50.782 Sort of sort of like that. Sit sitting at home just doing a broadcast. It was good fun. it was a bit too fun because I didn't really I mean I had my kids but I didn't have any other family then so I had a lot of time to focus on this, which means I did a lot of shows in quite a short while. for about two years or something like that. I did hundredsfifty shows or something like that. So a lot of impromptu stuff, whenever. did some broadcasts from some parties and stuff. But then we kind of grew apart a bit in the fa fact that I didn't want to stick to Commodore 64 only. I wanted to stretch in the the limits a bit more because the demo scene is so much more. And I mean I have a heritage in the demo scene from the mid eighties. So I've been I've been around for a while. and there therefore we kind of decided to wellGo a f separate and go apart and and basically the same night as that was decided, I started talking to some friends like Fnord who helped build the the infrastructure from Slay Radio once once back in the dice, as well as Hazel and Sir Garbage Truck. We kind of got together and said, let's do something. And Hazel had already done a sort of a demo scene radio for himself. Like he just wanted some demo scene music to be able to listen to wherever. Basically the way the same way that Slay Radio started once back in the nineties.so we kind of after a week we had a b beta version up and running. And then we got started just building stuff. we broadcast from some parties in in the year two thousand eight.

Coreus 07:26.67 But at this point sorted the at this point SceneSat is is a radio.

Ziphoid 07:31.022 It is a radio because of the simple fact that video streaming is was horrible back then. I mean the first shows we did for Slay Radio as well as the first shows from Zat when when I was at home was still like webcam, yes, updating every ten seconds. So there was no no str video streaming whatsoever.

Coreus 07:49.688 This I remember I actually did that during the nineties when I was broadcasting on community broadcaster exact in Stockoum and it was like yeah three seconds, ten seconds, yeah still picture basically. Kinda cool to see a blurry vision of what may have been a U.

Ziphoid 08:04.526 We even have I I have a couple of shows recorded or still's recorded where we putdisco lights and smoke machines for a webcam still the radio show so there were some just weird stuff there. But then then in 2009 we actually went live for real. And we did that with a bang with a show showcasting our first Sound of scenes I compilation because I know a lot of people I know a lot of people in the demo scene and around in surrounding things for ages. So I gotA bunch of artists who hadn't done stuff for ages and but a bunch of actual demos scene artists as well. So we started off with a compilation and we felt like, this this could be a cool thing. And then we kind of just built on on that. Video came a bit later when we got the bandwidth to broadcast video from parties in that sense. And then we got s sort of more and more into it. And

Coreus 08:49.602 What is

Coreus 09:01.347 So so on the audio side or let's radio side there's the sound of scene side.

Ziphoid 09:07.592 Yeah, that's basically just a compilation and that we want to showcase music from the demo scene and s and its surroundings. So it's it's not sort of like let's pick a track here and there and but but showcase the actual musicians and the way they want to express themselves as well. So so it's I I don't censor anything. Basically everything that has been submitted to a sound SceneSat has actually been released on a sound of SceneSat because even though there are some tracks on the s now seven compilations that I don't like.But that's my personal opinion. And if that person wants to express that opinion, I I'm not the one to stand in the way because there are other people who like this as well. And it also shows the width. We have everything ranging from noise to orchestral to hardcore synth stuff to heavy everything between. And it's like seven well, seven albums so far and we have number eight on its way now.

Coreus 09:54.369 Yeah.

Coreus 10:02.222 Great. I yeah, I have bought quite a number of them and they are are all excellent. in in terms of like so so it's no like curation process here. It is basically as you said everything that's submitted to SceneSet.

Ziphoid 10:14.726 No, no. That's that's a distinction. Not everything that's submitted to Scenesat in itself, but this is for the compilations and the compilations are basically in my Yes. They're I I built site to man to build these compilations basically. So it's it's a distinction between the sound of scenesat and SceneSat itself. And we basically haven't added much tracks to the rotational of SceneSat because the website right now is

Coreus 10:32.174 Gotcha.

Ziphoid 10:40.344 gazillion years old and it's not really suitable for this. So I'm revamping the whole system right now. Yeah. So

Coreus 10:46.626 Let's talk about SceneSat as a video service, a video hosting thing. when did that begin and how has it evolved today?

Ziphoid 10:56.066 I mean we we started off by actually getting donated server streaming usage from from some seniors who had access to video streaming software or hardware even. back when was this? This was to be thirteen years ago I think. I I think it was twenty twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. Okay. when revision started to get going well as well. so we had some donated server use capacity at that point in time.And then it kind of has grown from there. And thanks to our excel extremely excellent sponsor today, we have a quite beefy setup that I'mcurrently rebuilding everything into a more flexible structure. we we used a commercial tool or the the server software itself was for free, but the API access that was needed to control it costed $135 a month. I've replaced that now with a completely non-costly solution.

Coreus 11:54.506 So Ziphoid created or.

Ziphoid 11:56.216 Yes, not only Ziphoid, my my friends Claude and Codex there, I know that you frown on the A AI thing, but used correctly it's amazing because of the simple fact that I'm basically the only one who's actively have some time to do stuff for SceneSat right now. Because the rest of this staff are well family stuff and

Coreus 12:16.78 I I totally understand because you're basically not wipe coding. You'd actually look at the code you split it into tasks and tell it do this instead of saying, Do something, yes it works, I'm happy.

Ziphoid 12:28.654 No that that's that's also the thing and this is the beauty of actually having multiple ways of doing it. I can get them to code review themselves as well as I do the code reviewing and the architectural side of things as well because I've been doing this quite a while and it's a sound architecture and I could never have done this by myself without it.

Coreus 12:47.948 So so tell me a bit about how like these days ScenSat is integral to the demo scene. If I hope so. I i i it feels like that. It's like if if there's a demo party going on, there is a high chance you can see a recording. We actually used the recording from ScenSat from Edison last year in order to create the Edison Day One and Day Two video streams. Very very useful and and lifesaver. Yeah, but that's a thing, you have an archival status like no one can compete.with I mean you are the definitive storage of everything ever done basically.

Ziphoid 13:22.594 We're we're trying to help out as much as possible. And and I mean the more parties that are actually going through our system, doesn't matter if they use our system in the long run, the better it is because we store it without bleeping out commercial audio or whatever, inserting it's the real experience. Yes, it's a real experience and we can actually do whatever restream dot com does now.They send one stream, we can split it wherever they want to be, because we have some parties who want their presence only to be on Twitch, but they still go through us. That means that we can store it all, yeah, but still go go there. And and the the idea what I'm building right now is a sort of more self-serving way that can simplify broadcasting for the demo scene, for organizers of events and parties. Not not for single streamers, because that's that way they can use YouTube or whatever, but but forthe party side of things.

Coreus 14:18.112 So I'm wondering the it i to me it feels like if there was a demo party either in the past or going on now, SceneSat is there. And and and and how is that process in in like do they contact you or are you there just like ma connecting the wires in order to s to save and store that video stream?

Ziphoid 14:28.28 In some way.

Ziphoid 14:39.03 to put it like this, ten years ago I was probably visiting twelve to fifteen to twenty parties a year. Me personally. Yeah, who went around. Yeah. And which was crazy because it kinda broke my finances and my family life. So that's not doable anymore. Yeah. But the the more that we can help self-serve, I I do a lot of remote helping for for parties as well. We have friends who do broadcast and do voiceovers as well.The truck is going to a lot of parties, we have other like Subis going to other parties. But we I mean there are some parties that come back year after year because they know our system works and they know when to ping me and and or or us.

Coreus 15:19.874 But like if I have a new demo party it there's a high chance that SceneSat is top of mind and do they contact you then or is it the other

Ziphoid 15:31.244 If they if they have something new that we don't know about, yes, they contact us. and I mean most of the the demo scene is quite small but but still a a a true network of of things, so it's quite easy to reach out all all branches. And people usually know s in some way. And we're omnipotent in in that sense, so we're b basically everywhere.

Coreus 15:52.088 But but it feels like are they like there are demo parties next week or next month in in all over Europe and stuff like that. It feels like I can rely on ScenSat to just show me what's going on or I can watch it later.

Ziphoid 16:08.268 Yeah, and I mean that that's also the thing and th this is also why I hate our website right now, because it's it's so completely not up to date. so so why can't keep it up to date? Which means that we need to rely on other sources like demo su like demo demo party.net and poet and stuff like that. which is great for an upcoming schedule. But this is about to change. I'm I'm gonna open this up a bit. And there are quite a few I mean to be honest, in the demo scene there are quite a few people who aredoing a lot of the sort of integral parts of it that are connected back and forth and and I know most of them. So so we should be able to actually do something well together because it is a such a small scene and we need to help out to reach more more people and make it easier to

Coreus 16:55.18 Yeah. i it's fucking crap. Yeah, i it's it has become an integral part of of the demo scene and like just for instance like let's say there's next week there's a demo party somewhere, then they already if it's an existing demo party they already have a let's say a deal or like you know about it or they know about you. Do they kinda like or do you put it in your calendar like this.

Ziphoid 17:19.47 Okay. I mean I I keep track of things and and if if there are people who are who I know that have been broadcasting with us before I can ping them so so it's about time now, yeah. Well nothing has changed because I mean even though I have a new setup they have basically the same credentials as always. So they basically just need to press play on the their OBS stream and it's up and running. So so it's it's kind of it's a no brainer. If if you tomorrow start a new party, I can have that up and running for you in five minutes without a problem. And they have theaccess needed. But this is also something that I want new organizers to experience and and know about a bit more. So so we'll we'll do we need to do some some more work around in this.

Coreus 18:03.38 And and y you said well in the beginning it was just just you, now you have more people.

Ziphoid 18:08.718 No, it's not not that I mean we're we're quite I mean we're about twenty people in staff at all. But but people have their other ways of life and it's not like we need to have the strict routine. I'm basically the only one who can be arsed to do something all the time because it it's my little baby in in one sense. But I and and this is an important distinction. SceneSat is not me and I am not SceneSat, but I'm the one mainly driving SceneSat because well I'm... It's it's sort of like I I need this to be as good as I want it to be. because I I just love helping out where I can. but and I also understand that people have different versions or ways of life and and they they bump into things that are unexpected. So of course they can't take part out But They they come back a couple of years later. It doesn't really matter. It's not like okay you haven't done anything for a year, you're out. No no. It it's not like that. So

Coreus 19:10.732 But to also like to to us me new DG Demon like Ziphoid is in many ways seen that to us at least. And and it's like is it even though you have more staff on on board like like is it is it vulnerable and like y you know more?

Ziphoid 19:33.55 Yeah, if I would cease to exist then I doubt that scenes that would exist in that in the same sense, which is also one way why I need to revamp this into something that can be maintainable. Because right now it can't. It's basically me and Fnord who has built the whole infrastructure architecture behind it all and the the the hardware part is falling behind which means that we need torenew this. Yeah. So therefore I'm I'm not gonna just say let's open source everything right now. That's not the case. But in the long run I don't want to be the the sole caretaker of everything. I want to open it up and this is also why I'm not building too muchunique stuff and I'm not locking myself into a new platform. It it's it's gonna be a modular platform that can be reusable. I mean the I I I've set up a new single sign-on structure because we needed it and of course I could have used scene ID to that but the big problem is that I have like ten services that I need logins for and to create new ten new solutions or applications on scene ID is a mess. So therefore I have our own single s sign on solution but scene ID is a provider.So if you have a scene ID you can actually register on the scene side ID as well. Yeah, so so it basically it's connected but still separate if needed because I don't want to well do too much saturation on the scene ID bits, for instance.

Coreus 20:50.904 So you jumped.

Coreus 21:03.544 Yeah, so so people that already have a CNID it's more or less seamless.

Ziphoid 21:08.288 It's it's gonna be a single click and and then you're in and the SceneSat ID will give you access to the various resources that I'm building right now, like new websites and new video streaming solution, a new audio streaming solution, apps for both Android and iOS, and T V OS and Apple and Android TV as well. so the the the goal is to actually help making it easier to reach out.

Coreus 21:35.564 But you also acknowledge that you're the one person that's kinda everything kinda hinges on, so to speak. I I've seen this in many others. Eric Kate is pretty much the same thing and so is Slay Radio and this a very small like group of people keeping everything in operation. Yeah. And I wonder how do we think about this in like twenty years?

Ziphoid 22:05.196 That's the big problem, because it really doesn't exist a proper solution for that. I mean we have a lot of looking at scene.org for instance, that it has been an integral part of the demo scene for for ages now with with the hosting and with the scene ID and stuff like that. We have people like Garguy who is stepping out more and more because he has other parts of life.And we see already there are problems when when someone steps out. because it's not open enough. That's that's the big problem. We need to open up a bit more. People are a bit too protective of their baby. They their baby at some point. And that's where I don't yeah. And that that's not where I want to be. I want to be a bit more open. But until we have a decent enough platform that canthat we can actually someone else can man manage and understand, then it still needs to be sort of my baby.

Coreus 22:56.844 Yeah. But I I think i there is a bit of a problem here because first of all yeah, th I think we see the same problem. Yeah. But I think the biggest problem is it's very hard to get people to help you. It's very people that actually help out are worth

Ziphoid 23:10.126 Yeah yeah. And and this this is also the case and this is why I've employed Claude and and Codex. Yeah. Exactly. Because I I have done so many tries when having another person help out with this or that and then they have starting point like yeah yeah let's go and then something else happens and then they kind of run out of steam and then I'm still there and I'm I I haven't reached anywhere as possible. I have one example from we created the music line editor which isan Amiga music program back in the nineties. I think that I had four attempts four people who wanted to take this into the next level on any a new platform or update the Amiga version and everything has failed. But now I have a working music line editor on my Mac thanks to thanks to Codex actually. and it's fully backwards compatible. I I've just been because I've beendisappointed so many times when people have said no I'm not gonna be the one that quits but then they have quit again. So so the it's it's sad but true and I understand it because this is a hobby. This is just something that we do for fun. There is definitely well an inverse version of money because you're spending more money than you ever can earn. I am I've it I've sunk so much money into this so it's amazing anyway that we're still alive.

Coreus 24:30.357 So

Coreus 24:36.11 How how do you how do you sponsor, finance?

Ziphoid 24:39.278 lately thanks to the Sound of SceneSat compilations. We I mean we offer them for free completely of course, but if you can and feel like it you can purchase them or buy something on on Bandcamp. They are the biggest source of income, no doubt. We also have a Patreon that we're not active in the Patreon sense of things, like we're producing special things, but people are kind enough to support us there. And that's the only way that we survive basically. And of course, extremely generous.hosting. We have GleSYS who's an ISP and a big service provider. They have been amazing. So we have quite a beefy setup to be honest.

Coreus 25:20.298 Th that's my next question actually if if you're able to talk a bit about the infrastructure around this thing that's the a big behemoth like this.

Ziphoid 25:30.45 looking at it like this, the the whole old system is running on a machine that is way too old, that should have been thrown away for ages ago. which is why we really need it. And right now actually the boot SSDs of that machine is dead. So if if that goes down we will not be on air straight away. Then I need to re invoke the new system. So we have basically have two servers in a data center here in Stockholm. with each having a ten gigabit dedicated uplink, each server.Okay. and then we were running out of storage for for the video archive. Right now it's like seven terabytes or something like that. So so which is not much for home computer thing, but but for a server side, yeah, it's a lot. So we we bought capacity at a data center in Helsinki, like fifty dollars a month it turned into. So we mentioned that to our to GleSYS and that's

Coreus 26:25.922 Speaks.

Ziphoid 26:26.344 Look what I can do. And then came back a couple of hours later like, yeah, I found JBot there, just a bunch of discs. twelve eight terabytes. If if I put that in a server and give you a control machine, would that be okay? So yeah, now we have eighty terabytes of storage available straight away.

Coreus 26:43.682 Ten times more.

Ziphoid 26:44.78 Yeah, with an additional ten gigabit uplink. So we have basically thirty gigabits of of uplink, which means that theoretically if we were to s serve a ten megabit stream out, we could do three thousand viewers on our platform without a problem. Yeah. which will never probably happen because it's it's more on the bigger side of things, butthe the system is so flexible now so we can reach out if there's a big party going on let's like let's say revision for example we can shoot out edge relays to a digital ocean server and pay twenty five dollars for a week's worth of streaming and then we're we're we have mu more bandwidth so so it's expandable now but without the help of GleSYS we would not have made it because they basically let us have this for free and say you need to use more bandwidth.

Ziphoid 27:36.974 Yes, it is. Wow, that's amazing. That that's that's the beauty of knowing people, because that's the only reason that we have this.

Coreus 27:44.034 Yeah, I was about to say, you're like you you need con connections and and knowing people. Yes. how how many this infrastructure, how many like viewers do you support every month or like

Ziphoid 27:55.192 I mean it it completely depends on how many people who are it depends on on the events and the parties itself. I mean we on an aver on a on an average day when it comes to the radio in itself, we're around thirty, forty, fifty listeners at at any point in time. Depending on the events. Now we're not doing that many radio shows anymore, sadly. We used to have a schedule, we now basically have one regular show per month, sadly. butIt it's it's extremely hard to say but because I mean this party has been around up to a hundred viewers and then half of them have been on Twitch because people go on yeah, they they it's it's easy to go on Twitch. And this is also part of why building an app is is quite good to help making it easy.

DJ Daemon 28:28.43 80.

DJ Daemon 28:43.502 here.

Ziphoid 28:44.586 And to to I mean the the whole usability side of our site needs to be way improved and that's what I'm building now. And with I mean I I plan to bring in your shows as well into our archive as a guest station. because basically in two thousand fourOr no even even s earlier in two thousand we started building it on two thousand eight. I had the idea already on the Slay Radio Time to build a sort of a replay because the shows that we did then, live shows, very highly interactive with the IRC primarily.And when if you miss a show, you kind of miss half of the show because you didn't follow chat. Yeah. So therefore we built the the first prototype was actually using Winamp and a sort of karaoke playback routine to play back the screw the text as a karaoke thing in Winamp to actually get the the chat logs back. Really? yeah. But then we built an app and built a whole system called Relive. that isAnd that was meant to be bigger than it turned into. So we had a bunch of stations. We have all the Bitjam podcasts. We have the there are some other stations in there. We I I plan to bring you guys in as a sort of a guest station as well, which means that you will end up in our archive as a guest station with all the Yeah. So it makes it easier because the new app and everything has downloadability and you can offline listen and everything like that.

DJ Daemon 29:56.109 and

Coreus 30:04.516 That would be cool.

Coreus 30:13.418 With with the re re live, replay well. that also applies to video streams, right?

Ziphoid 30:16.352 Real life. Yeah.well in in a sense we we haven't built I didn't build it before, but now I I will extend it now so you will have replaying of chat logs as well, depending on video streams. but but I mean real life yes you can do that with video as well, but not as easy. I mean this was meant to be sort of streamlined y it was

Coreus 30:42.808 Just three.

Ziphoid 30:43.558 Yeah, it was yeah, audio streaming because that was basically what we were starting out to be. Yeah. And then it kind of went stale so so I've been the only one updating the even though there have been other producers of of stuff. Yeah. So I'm I'm automating this, which means that every time you release a new show you can click on a a button in our interface or it will fold whenever you need it. So it'll be safe.

Coreus 31:07.254 And you're mentioning there w there will be or there is a demo scene.

Ziphoid 31:11.42 no it's it's not a demos scene app, it's actually a scene side app and there will be. Okay. I plan to have it on test flight for iOS probably next week and then an Android version is almost done as well. So

Coreus 31:23.818 What what what can users expect when they hire up?

Ziphoid 31:26.732 basically a list of what's going on right now and and then I plan to embed the the upcoming schedule not not only of parties that we actually are broadcasting through, but I'll probably just link in demoparty.net or something like that. But it's it's aimed at simplicity and make it easy to consume. That that's that's the whole idea.

Coreus 31:51.608 The one stop shop to figure out if there's anything going on. Yeah. Yeah. So when is it releasing them? Everybody is waiting.

Ziphoid 31:59.246 Yeah.Now i i I said it depends. it's it it also depends a bit on Google and and Apple of course. I'm still waiting to to get my approved Google Play account. Apple I'm I'm already approved, but I just need to finalize some stuff. I've just there are still some UI stuff that needs to be altered. And the big problem is as as soon as you release something you need to start supporting it as well because people will start to find bugs. And this is why I'll probably invite some people tojust try it out because now it's only on my phones and my T Apple T V at home as well.

Coreus 32:35.544 We'd like to try it out, DJ Daemon?

Ziphoid 32:38.766 Android or i d iPhones? Yes. Okay. I'll I'll let you know when when Google Play approves the test flights kind of style they have.

Coreus 32:41.653 Android.

Coreus 32:47.724 Yeah, cow to him, that would be all.

Ziphoid 32:49.598 Yeah. because I need to add you as a provider as well. So so and how many shows do you have approximately in

Coreus 32:58.158 approximately between the thumb and and the what do you say two minute packing at a little bit so so one hundred and sixty three. that's quite just quite

Ziphoid 33:08.534 That is no but I mean a as long as you have structured data which you do have in the form of R S then it's not a problem to just No, I I will actually grab the actual audio data so that will be served from our archive as well.

Coreus 33:21.396 That that is good. I mean go ahead, just scrape it. It's open. If you want some other format to structured format just

Ziphoid 33:29.922 Yeah, that's not a problem. I mean as as long as you have timestamps for for play and transcript. I know. Yeah, that's good. Transcripts might not make much sense as a chat log though, so so it's it's not that interesting in that sense.

Coreus 33:34.478 Yeah, full shifter support and transcript.

Coreus 33:43.734 It's nanae, but I'm telling you, yeah pretty much everything podcasting two point zero is supported.

Ziphoid 33:48.642 Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. Yeah. I mean I I've w I basically have all our scenes at shows as an iTunes podcast as well, but I haven't really done anything more with it apart from chapters w for each track. So debates.

Coreus 34:04.0 So you you told us, I g I guess like what the what does the future for scene sat hold? I guess it's

Ziphoid 34:12.846 Hopefully world domination. Yeah, not not really. No, but but but I want to open stuff up a bit more because I want to make it easier for organizers because we're all getting older, we need to reach out to more people and actually get them interested. And I I actually got a question yesterday from Magic demosine pal and he's like give me fivebuzzwords why I should send a demo scene or just scenesat.com and I said I shouldn't because right now the site is just not understandable in any way. It's basically I have a hard time to point a a newbie to Poet for instance because that's not really the demo scene in that sense. Because it's it it depends. It it depends on what the you need to know what to expect when you go in there. But the idea is that it needs to be easier to consume. We need toPeople need to understand what they're getting themselves into a bit more. So there need to be a lot more cu curation and a lot more surrounding information. So the the goal is to make it easier to reach more people and have more sort of connected data so that we don't have five different sources of one thing and we don't know what's actually actually the the correct one.So so I'm all about facts and and data in that sense and it needs to be correct.

Coreus 35:42.21 and making yourself like making the the system itself like less vulnerable or or less reliable on one exact point of failure.

Ziphoid 35:49.614 That's that's the the idea. I'm I'm gonna make myself redundant in the long run because I I can probably can't go on that much longer. I'm fifty-five now, but but yeah.

Coreus 35:59.864 No, th I mean it's f from for outsiders like us, SceneSat has always seemed massive but kind of like slow moving. it's very nice to hear that.

Ziphoid 36:06.988 Yeah. And because staffing because we have way too little people who can actually

Coreus 36:13.73 But it's it's good to hear that that you are thinking about it, like actively and there there there is a plan.

Ziphoid 36:20.054 There are so many yeah, there are so many things going on in the background and and also the the the front end is just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many more things behind the scenes to actually get everything working the way it does. everything is interconnected in a different different way now and and more flexible and expandable. which makes it easier to to let it survive and yeah.

DJ Daemon 36:39.822 which

Coreus 36:44.27 Yeah yeah. Yes a question, how many songs do you have on your radios texture?

Ziphoid 36:48.512 about eight thousand ish something like that. And soon I'll get two thousand SIDs fully recorded straight from the hardware as well. So well that that will up it with fifteen hundred or something like that. So

Coreus 37:04.078 That is not bad. No no. Do you have a like a regular player or is it d just like a radio player stream thing as well?

Ziphoid 37:15.314 No no, this is just a radio radio right now. And and then also one one thing that we've chosen to do is to not allow downloads of stuff unless you're logged in. If we have the the permit from the the authors.

DJ Daemon 37:22.986 or

Ziphoid 37:28.588 to have them downloadable because some people want to keep their downloads available from their sources. Yeah. And everything like that. For for instance. But we'll see what I mean a lot of the tracks are are still out on scene.org or whatever, so it's freely downloadable. But one thing that we need to be better at is adding metadata, connecting where where the sources are and everything like that. So so there is a big work in the background already going on with that. So we're gonna refinesources and and everything like that. And and some of the stuff that we have is not particularly demosine related in the sense of it can be sort of a net label win with with which is sort of next door in the sense because when we started out there were a lot of those tracks on the rotational because of the fact that we had it was similar. There it could have been scenery's who were involved in those net labels and stuff like that. But we're not purely demosine.to every aspect and that's also part of why it's it's quite quite a fresh take on things. But the new system allows me to basically spin up new channels for everything I want. So if I want an Amiga only channel I can easily do that and just filter out the Amiga tracks and then set up an out. For instance I'm I'm also adding now that all the video streams that go through us also automatically get an extracted audio stream.If you can't for instance watch video where you if you're driving or something like that, you can always click the audio stream of the same stream and here it is that. Yeah. So so and and also integrating various party systems to to have them send what's playing out in for instance so I can get that stream titled and everything like that. So so it's opening up a lot of opportunities.

Coreus 39:09.464 Yeah.

Coreus 39:14.026 Since you have a lot of artists in the database have some of them given you SceneSet exclusive license?

Ziphoid 39:21.706 Yeah yeah. Yeah but but also I don't want the SceneSat exclusive rights in that sense because the the thing is that I have a lot of work in progress tracks that that have been just made for us as well. But I want and this is also the thing with when we release something on the Sound of SceneSat, we'd prefer it to be unreleased, but we're also rounding some stuff up that have been at various parties. I I know that a couple of tracks that was made here, Alpha's track for instance, will be on the Sound of SceneSat volume eight.that's okay because I want I want that to be spread and and after we have released that compilation they they're still their tracks. They can do whatever they want to it with it because I don't want to hold anything in. It's just Yeah, facilitate and and spread spread things because and this is the whole idea because I want to show off how amazing musicians we have in the demo scene. and and want them to be able to express them through us.

Coreus 40:05.868 Facilitator.

Ziphoid 40:19.39 And people are actually enjoying that quite well. So so

Coreus 40:22.894 Are you planning any feature to discover like discover your content as well since you have a lot of well video especially well obviously songs but like videos and and audio recordings like just something like a surprise me or

Ziphoid 40:38.798 We already have that functionality in in place but just haven't implemented in the the the correct things. I mean we we for instance we we created me and defox created pounds off a bunch of years ago because we're all getting fat and decided to to lose weight. So we built a pounds off site so that we could actually weight loss together. And D Fox made a sort ofa workout demo scene playlists from from this out. Just surprise me whatever. But we have similar things and we have some people around who has been making sort of demo players for that can automatically play both Commodore 64 and Amiga demo straight on your Mac Windows machine whatever with an emulator and also randomize that. So so I'm I'm planning to integrate more and more of these tools because I didn't don't need toreinvent everything because there are people who are already building this, which is it was just better to actually highlight them as well. And but but it's always interesting with a random pool production of the day or something like that. So so there there are possibilities and the more that we connect the various sites the more flexibility around that we can have.

Coreus 41:55.714 Better. Yeah. you said you you travel a r a lot well earlier around to various di demo parties. are you do you have any plans now for like what's the what's the next stop on Ziphoids

Ziphoid 42:07.948 Well sadly it's probably gonna be revision next year if I make it. Because it it's it's also a a financial thing of course because with family and everything like that. I mean the only reason why I made it this year was due to a a fan who actually b bought my trip there with everything. So he he basically sponsored my whole trip. Yes, yes, he's he's great. and the the amazing I I can't count on that every year of course, but but I mean

Coreus 42:28.034 We after that.

Ziphoid 42:37.186 The the the was it was especially wonderful for me because we got to release our forty year anniversary demo for Racer nineteen eleven there as well. That was amazing. thank you. And and it was really cool, especially since I've been a member since nineteen eighty eight. I was the first non Norwegian member of Racer.Yeah and just seeing myself being the the one name left on the member list when everything scrolls up it's it's it's quite it's quite fun and still intimidating in a way and and when we got up to pick up the prices, Dubmood saidYeah, and thanks to the elders and pointed at me, so yeah, I I I can live with the fact that I'm a one of the elders, so I'm completely okay with that. Yeah. But he also said that you need to come next year because we we we plan to win a lot of meteoric awards, so you need to help me carry it. Now at least I hope we can get nominated at least. Yeah. Shouldn't be a problem. Yeah. But that's probably the next one, sadly.

Coreus 43:34.627 Okay. we'll wrap things up here but one thing, we we we we ask people the origin of their handles. Is that something you w want to mention or skip it if you

Ziphoid 43:52.278 Yeah, it's it's a completely boring one, to be honest. Okay. because when when I started off in the demos scene, this was nineteen eighty five. You remember this. I can't really remember why, but there was something calling so I I I call myself the Survivor from the beginning. I don't know why. I have no clue why that came up to me. But then I realized when when after going tomy first demo party in nineteen eighty seven. I was like, no, I don't like this nickname, so it's not fun at all at all. So I basically took my pocket calculator back in the days. I brought the concise English dictionary. I made a randomizer, randomizing page number, column number and row number, put out 10 examples and picked the best one. And it actually turned out to be Ziphoid with an X.Which is a ziphoid process, which is a physical thing in in your ribs basically, you're the center of the but an X s felt a bit stumbly, so I was like, let's make a Z instead. So it's a Ziphoid. That's that's basically it. So so nothing. The the interesting bit is people think that it comes from Zaphod Beeble books from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and stuff like that, but it's not. Yeah, but there are so many Zaphod already in in the demo scene, so it's I'm

Coreus 45:07.096 Be an awesome reference.

Ziphoid 45:13.272 quite unique to be honest, which is good because I haven't bumped into anyone who's calling themselves in any

Coreus 45:18.158 Basically now they think you've spelled it wrong. Okay, okay.

Ziphoid 45:20.596 Yes, which and also in interesting thing, especially British people, they think it's it's pronounced Ziphoid in that sense. But I felt xiphoid is clumsier than ziphoid in in a way. So so I just felt I I've kind of tuned it into ziphoid. so some people have heard me enough so they know that's that's

Coreus 45:42.38 So it originates from a bodily function between the ribs or something.

Ziphoid 45:46.498 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of like that. Your bone and breast and chest and bones.

Coreus 45:52.11 Yeah. Right. The price giving in ceremony is beginning behind us, so good timing. But in case you have do you have a favorite tune?

Ziphoid 46:02.07 Nope, that's fine. Actually no.So space debris by Captain.

Coreus 46:13.176 Doing it.Look forward to the new app.

Ziphoid 46:18.07 It will be there.

🎧 46:23 Captain - Space debris

🎧 51:16 DJ Daemon thanks you for listening and tells you about \"Voice of the demo scene\".

DJ Daemon 51:17.838 This has been an episode of Flashback, Tracks from the Past. I'm DJ Daemon and co-host and the guy who interviewed Ziphoid. That would be Coreus. Thank you very much for listening, and remember that you can go to arriade. And the podcast. This has been a part of a series called \"Voices of the Demo Scene\". We hope to give you more interesting interviews in the future. Thank you for listening and goodbye.The ERICADE Radio Network - SceneSat is keeping it real.

🎧 51:47 ericade.radio - SceneSat is keeping it real.