159. An eventful Saturday afternoon at Revision 2026

This is the Ericade Radio Network. We're now going live from a remote location. You're listening to Ericade.Radio with the right audio level. We do not broadcast too loud or too... silent. No, we do not.We are broadcasting live, however, from Revision 2026 and it's time to load up some new tracks coming into the station. first, because we're waiting for Koreas to come back from this shopping spree here on Media Markt.We are starting this hour up with SLL from Kaverns and it's called Techno 1, 2 and 3 and it's a very famous track from the old 90s demo. Amiga at its best, you know, Amiga!speaker-0

The bad news is I'm old enough not to have any hair on my head anymore. But back in the day I did, I actually did for a short while in my life, sport a Eurotecno-dough. And I should totally have that today, but it's too late. That's as much Eurotecno as you can get. That was SLL of Kefrans. We are continuing on with some more music, but first I want to give you little bit of yeah, well, overview of it.Revision right now everybody is settling in we just had the tracker Competition it was something around 15 entries and wow good stuff from saga music's jaws and the other people man V You know the good people making good music, so that's how it is Yeah, I would talk a little bit more about the streaming compo that's coming upBut you of course can listen at Ericad.radio and there is some music here in the background I don't know if they're starting something up or not. I will come back to you later on that Going on with Slays and Rex Lacerte and that's actually a lizard king It's a tribute to a lizard king as Rex Lacerte is a sort of lizardspeaker-0

Right, I know, I know, it's sounding like I'm sitting in front of a loudspeaker here, but yeah, well, that's revision being too loud. The Discord forum is brimming with comments like, can you please decrease the volume? But, well, nobody seems to be listening anyway. So you have to excuse the ear-splitting noise going on here in the background. Also, yeah, well, my voice isn't super good either, but at least it doesn't give it...We're waiting for couriers and stuff going on here, and I will report back when it happens. Going on with Mara project and a nerdy girl.speaker-0

People are complaining about the audio level on the stream on the Discord forum here are a number of really really fun comments coming here on this radio station. First of all I have a guy calling himself NR4 saying well not having a limiter for that sounds really JOLO and it says something like you need a limiter and somebody responds yoho you only hear once.Yeah, the comments are really fun here. No no limit, we'll reach for the sky, or I don't know, the earplugs perhaps. Kiss your hearing goodbye, and sounds a little bit difficult, but I'll try, says Dolment. Yeah, you should definitely go to the Discord forum and listen for yourself, what they have to say. for yourself. Koryas is back now, so we'll soon talk a little bit on the radio.We are going on with the music and next up is nothing more, nothing less than Chris Julesbeck and Cat Shop Girls. think that's his take on the whole discussion that's about Pet Shop Boys or something. don't know. RK. Radio, keep listening.speaker-0

Hey.Ratio, from a demo party, live with your hosts DJ Daemon and Kourios And back from Media Markt, Kourios welcome!speaker-1

We made it! We're alive!speaker-0

Ha yeah, you survived the zombie apocalypse that is your typical marketplace.speaker-1

Day 2 from revision here at Saarbrucken, Germany. Revision 2026 has already kicked off a couple of events already. One of them was the track music compo which you were looking forward to.speaker-0

Absolutely, and I listen to most of it and actually this year's Well contenders and really good stuff really good stuff So I'm really looking forward to add them to the station You have to wait a few days because they come out to the station that is to dig him out to this scene set this scene and net sidespeaker-1

You like to add this, do I like it, top best of song from the competition in the track music combo, right?speaker-0

Absolutely, that's kinda nice thing to have on the station. Just to give that 2026 feeling. Also there will be flashback tracks from the past hour, podcast, an episode with a top list, of course.speaker-1

So you wanna hear something fun? Yeah. I went to a... You probably mentioned it, but I went to a hardware store and I heard over the... I don't know if it was a TV or a radio announcement, but I heard a voice from our channel. What? Yes, the Joe Wohwart or something. What's his name? Yeah, he heard... He sounded exactly the same. So I was like...speaker-0

John Woodward.speaker-1

Wow, hey, that's Terricade, announcer guy.speaker-0

But it wasn't us. They weren't listening to us.speaker-1

No, no, I thought it was Eric Kade first, he was doing... he's a voice actor, right? So he does a lot of different work. And here he did for some German thing. No, it was English. So, wait, is Eric Kade on the hardware store?speaker-0

Yes, very famous one.speaker-0

speaking in German? Okay.speaker-0

That would be awesome, really, that would be a homage. Quality work.speaker-1

Alas, it was... But we are... I was about to say we are going on with, but I'm not doing that yet. I'm wondering, we had a playlist of a lot of songs yesterday and you told me that we have scoured through all of them yet? Already?speaker-0

Yeah, we've gone through the whole list, but I have a new one loaded up. Brand new, okay. To be you were the one creating it, but I have loaded it up and it's ready to run. Everything that's green on the screen is the new one. Green on the screen, nobody...speaker-1

The next one is so long that I can't see what the name of the song is, but...speaker-0

Yeah, the next one is size C.speaker-1

Is it? I thought it was the green one inside.speaker-0

Yeah, but there's a new list, we've got one more on the old one.speaker-1

okay, so it's one on the old playlist. Alright, this is Saezy with Morse and welcome to day two from Revision 2026.speaker-0

Thanks.speaker-0

talented size a Yes, the two guys actually it's silo and Sarah Belgian MSI said yesterdayspeaker-1

think we played them yesterday as well. Not this song.speaker-0

Yeah, but not this No, no, no, but we have like the free of the best albums they ever didspeaker-1

Plastic Pop is what they're calling themselves on their artist page.speaker-0

Okay, yeah, it's fitting. I mean, it's pretty plastic like your typical Amigaspeaker-1

It's very upbeat and I like it very much. So today is one of the main days at revision here in Saarbrucken and I'll fire up the timetable to what's happening, what has already happened and what is going to happen.speaker-0

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, what you have got.speaker-1

So, at 12 today there was an event. around 11, 12 there were two events actually behind the scenes of the competition team. Yesterday I was up in the VIP area and actually got a look at how they have the setup there. And they are very busy, it's very hectic and...speaker-0

Aha, okay.speaker-1

There's a lot of screens, monitors. It looks like, you know, when you have like a large, I don't know, like a broadcast, TV broadcast studio and you have like a mission control with a lot of screens and stuff. So that was the Beam team. They have many monitors with various feeds going out.And then you had the music and track compo team, had the main organizers which are actually on the balcony from where we can see them roughly from where we are now. There are four of them. The main organizer is Bod. He should not be contacted unless it's really burning.speaker-0

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an emergency.speaker-1

And then you have the Beam Team, I said, and then the Info Desk people. They are of course mostly on the Info Desk, but they roam about. And there's a lot of others that I forget. just the vibe in there was, let's say, chaos is a mild word.speaker-0

Haha, standard for a demo scene, isn't it?speaker-1

But but it was still calm calm chaosspeaker-0

And that is not some kind of oxymoron.speaker-1

No, I mean, it was not like people were running and shouting, but you got the feeling that everybody had a lot to do and a lot of just data streams on screens. a lot of like people, myself included, were having troubles with their contributions to various competitions. We talked to Truc yesterday.speaker-0

Okay.speaker-1

and he helped out a lot of people in the ANSI competition which is running today I think. I'll have to check.speaker-0

Yeah, 1800 hours. That's 6 p.m. here, Central European time. That's when the ANSI, Petsky, what have you, what have ye. Heavy. Petsky heavy, yes.speaker-1

Happy. Happy.So if you have an issue with your entry or need help, then the info desk is your first stop. And then they will put you in contact with whoever you need to contact. So yeah, we had a couple of interviews yesterday. Hopefully we'll get some today as well. We'll be live until around 5.speaker-0

Seems good to me.speaker-1

But yesterday we were live a bit longer.speaker-0

Yeah, 7 o'clock actually, when they started the real event. So, yeah, we got a lot of interesting interviews. A lot too, but that's a lot.speaker-1

There are a lot of seminars today as well, we'll get back to them. But before you get tired of us talking, need... Actually, we'll fire up two songs here. Is that fine by you, DJ Demon? Okay, we'll have Kickbuck Chuck Norris and then Visions of the Past.speaker-0

Yep, that's right.speaker-0

Seems good, let's do it!speaker-1

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It's a nice little do of songs here on Erricade. Radio broadcasting live from revision 2026.speaker-1

And behind us it sounds like the algorithm brave is in full swing. German Deutsche Reife-party is very good. Let's see. The time here, Central European time is half past three. Half past two, half past three.speaker-0

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Half past two to be honestspeaker-1

And looking at the schedule here, is the Algorave Jam is going on and then at the 3 we will have another seminar for the digital omnibus and business forum event.And at four there's behind the scenes with the Beam team and that will definitely be very interesting for people who like video production, myself included. And at five... At five. At five. You know what happens at five?speaker-0

We go off there and the whole cool stuff is happening, right?speaker-1

Well, yes and yes. 5, the Shader Showdown Finals will happen. There were three semi-finals yesterday. think it was where each of the winners there will meet each other head to head in the Shader Finals today. And there were some pretty badass entries and skills.on the display there.speaker-0

yeah, absolutely. mean, we know this. It's kind of the best of the best from the demo scene is R here.speaker-1

And a lot of them are French for some reason. That's apparently they have it in their curriculum. So it's French, English and shader programming.speaker-0

Yeah, yeah, that seems very, very legit. Has to be that way.speaker-1

But that happens at 5 and there was just one guy who made a fractal galaxy. He had invented the algorithm himself, he said. That is pretty cool. You can look it up on YouTube or Twitch. Twitch.tv slash revision party. And of course all the details can also be found on revision dash party dot net.if you want to look into more details. How... Oh, on screen there is the Ederson 2026 ad. It just passed now, but that's in Sweden this July, where it will also be.speaker-0

Yes, on the Borgila, MS Borgila. Boat, boat, boat.speaker-1

Which is a A ship. And what's the theme on Edison this year?speaker-0

That would be something like Cowboys and whatever, it's kinda Wild West and yeah, well hold your horses and release your prods. That's... That's... The slogan.speaker-1

That's the tagline, yeah. So that happens in middle of July-ish. So we're very looking forward to that. That will be cool. Of course, there are other demo parties as well happening around the world soon. Looking at Demo Zoo here. Actually, right now there's another one going on in Norway.You have heard about it, it's the gathering.speaker-0

The big one. mean revision is the huge the the enormous the gigantic the galactic size But I would say that the gathering is kind of second placespeaker-1

The gathering has been around one of the longest running. It's been around since 1992. it's 34 something years going strong and like almost have been going on every year except 2024. yeah, but if you're not able to attend the revision in person then perhaps you could.attend the gathering if you're in Scandinavia. Revision of course has been going on since 2011. And let's see here. They're actually looking at the demo soup page for Revision 2026. There's already the track music that was shown at 12 today. They are already up on the site.speaker-0

get it download them and play them laterspeaker-1

Yes, I think that they've just been added to the system but not added to the FTP server.speaker-0

Okay, that would be too easy, right?speaker-1

And also they're not available until the competitions have run.speaker-1

And then let's see, there is... Let me fire up these other ones which are... So the gathering is from the 1st to 5th of April and then Lakti copy party in Finland. That's also happening these days. So if you're close to Finland then check out Lakti copy party.speaker-0

I think it's more like LATTI. don't think that... L-A-T-H-Y-I. Right?speaker-1

La- La- Latte?speaker-1

Later in April there is class 2026 which happens in Los Angeles California Los Angeles County California and there is one in Russia Multimatograf and then there's in Poland at the end of April there's Specki Party 2026.speaker-0

It's a wild guess but could it have something to do with spectrums?speaker-1

Most likely, most likely. the... Another big one, the Sweden's oldest, Bördi, that happens in May. So that's... But that's next month. But now we're busy covering revision of course. And while I chew on this biscuit, we will enjoy some... Let's see. this is a really great one. Is it Mick Rippon with Alone?speaker-0

Yes, you have finally learned to look at the screen.speaker-1

Listen to just the bass and segues this song moves through as it progresses. It's for a reason people at ModArchive praises it very much.speaker-0

Absolutely, absolutely. Here it comes.speaker-0

From a demo party live with your hosts DJ Damon and Coriusspeaker-1

Mick Rippen there, he is alone and quoting Violet, who commented on this song back in 2016, Oh my god, I found you, now we can cry together. It's a devastatingly gorgeous track.speaker-0

That's something really. I think that's a violet raccoon, right? Or raccoon violet. Not entirely sure though.speaker-1

I don't know. the consensus and the users echo that statement. It's an achingly beautiful song. yeah, DJ Demon, were looking at... Yesterday we broadcast for long time and it was very late until we got back to the hotel.speaker-0

Yeah, I know, know. It's kind of like tired and we had a lot of fun. Not just broadcasting, but listening to all the good DJing and stuff going on like Wayland and the company and really made it rock.speaker-1

Did you try the pinball machines yesterday?speaker-0

I have not done that because I'm not good with those, but you tried and it seemed like as you said previously that Pamela Anderson did really agree with your pinball skills.speaker-1

The pinball machines are great and they're free as well. You just push the button and it's off you go. I challenge you to go and try them soon. Do you recall I said I'm gonna throw you some curveballs? So yesterday we thought we had enough songs on the playlist. Apparently we didn't.speaker-0

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.speaker-1

And it's kind of funny because this year you said I'm gonna prepare, properly prepare.speaker-0

You know, we burned through them like you wouldn't believe it.speaker-1

Yeah, you wouldn't believe exactly. even with more preparations than you've ever done before.speaker-0

Yeah, I can take your hintspeaker-1

We still need to fix up some planning of how we set up the show. yesterday was a lot of back and forth as well. was navigating the maces of organization here in Atrevision to get a hold of the right people I needed to talk to for stuff. yeah, that kind of...screwed up a bit of the programming and the songs. And also some of the songs that I have handpicked and want to hear. as an encore of some of the tracks I think we definitely must hear again. I have the first one here in this Gerontel with Mountain Breeze. It's a simply fantastic tune. The sound picture, the crisp beats, melody and bendy tune.speaker-0

That's the second.speaker-1

all blend into a fantastic cohesion. the mountain breeze is what we need now when things get heated up. We need to cool down a bit. So Jeroen Tell, please give us some mountain breeze.speaker-0

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And that's how Jarentell ends the song in Mountain Breeze.speaker-1

gives us a cool breeze. Actually it was not laid down, laid back as I thought it would be, I forget, but still a great tune that we got to hear again from yesterday's playlist. Looking at the timetable for Saturday, are there anything that you're looking forward to today?speaker-0

Let me see I also always had some canard favorite is for and CSK Petski stuff, especially Petski. I think that's coolspeaker-1

For new listeners, can you explain what the hell that is?speaker-0

Yeah, well ANSI is pretty much teletext graphics if you want to. It's blocky, it's cool, but it's not high resolution, you can like have different...speaker-1

How do you make it? You don't use Photoshop and then you use characters, the letters to create a picture?speaker-0

Yeah, exactly. You need some sort of ANSI editor because ANSI codes are like text codes that tell an ANSI compliant... Device? Yeah, device that it should show like this is a background that's yellow and so it's kind of language onto itself. But if you have an editor you can draw with blocky graphics. It's looking really nice. And if you're super talented you can draw real pictures that way.and well ASCII is just text basically it's the A to C 0 to 9 textspeaker-1

Things that you can enter in your notepad and create a picture. If you recall the old Read Me and File Dis files from way back when, I guess they still are a thing. But if you, yeah, you can create a figure and it's easier to see what it is if you step back a couple of meters from your screen, right?speaker-0

Yeah, exactly. I old school Eski or Amiga Eski, there were basically outlines that you could see big blocky, non-filled characters on the screen. Really cool. Whereas the PC Eski was more like it was filled with dots and exclamation marks and stuff.speaker-1

Extra characters that you didn't have on the Amiga?speaker-0

You did, but on Amiga time you had like 1200 border modems, so downloading those when you had them filled with characters was very slow, because often those were used in BBSs, like the logon screens and stuff.speaker-1

So now we have the ANSI out of the way and then ASCII which you can create with just your regular notepad for instance.speaker-0

Well, regular notepad can actually have full Juno code support, so you can have Chinese characters in there. But that's not ASCII. So, see, old ASCII is like, as I said, A to C, C to 9, and a number of brackets and dashes and exclamation marks and a lot of... I mean, the 8-bit ASCII can have like a lot of Spanish and Polish and Czech characters as well, but not that much more.speaker-1

flavor variations. side note, could you turn up my headphone volume just a bit, just a bit so I can hear a bit better because the Algo Acid Rave is playing at full speed behind us. And the last one is Petski. Tell us what that is.speaker-0

Exactlyspeaker-0

What are you doing here?speaker-0

Petsky is yet. I don't think that was its name, but this was the character set of the Commodore pet back in 1979 thank you for turning that down Ear drums are sore No, what I mean is pets kids like think think of it like the pet character set with a lot of characters that ask and as it simply don't have So you can draw really cool likestuff it's almost like some kind of very early emoji thing and those existed on the C64 the 128 and others so it's something with a very very long pedigree so to speakspeaker-1

I'm looking at the wiki page here. It's a pet standard code of information interchange known as CBM ASCII. Looking at just the examples, me it looks like just a regular Commodore font and then you have some like squares, extra squares and lines and stuff. Is that what it is?speaker-0

Yeah, but you can draw so much with it. Yes. But yes, you're looking at I can see here on your screen. That's exactly what that is. But generally, you don't have that in ASCII, those fat lines and those like different graphical shapes and forms.speaker-1

Okay, so you expand the artistry with the regular alphabet, some special characters and then some squares and lines and checkmark things.speaker-0

Yes, that is correct. And this is kind of like what makes it so cool because you can do so much more with Petski than you can do with standard ANSI or ASCII.speaker-1

Okay, okay, then we know. Okay, so these are specific to the Commodore, it seems like. And yeah, so you cannot use Petsky on the Amiga.speaker-0

Yes, it is Commodore specific.speaker-0

No, it doesn't support it, but of course it can use custom fonts. So I guess there is some sort of pet ski font for the Amiga if you want to download it from somewhere.speaker-1

Okay, okay. So yes, that is happening today and one of my favorite composes 4K graphics, executable graphics that will be very, very nice to see. Of course, I mentioned yesterday about the elevated, which I showed you on YouTube. It's the snowy landscape mountain demo.speaker-0

Yeah, it's awesome because you don't really think that you can do so much with us so little.speaker-1

Yeah, and actually was Sissoubi yesterday who had a nice talk during the meteorics that in these days and times when the hardware is so limited, we'll make it run on whatever's left.speaker-0

Does it run? Do you remember that joke?speaker-1

Oh yes, or can it run Crysis, a more modern one? Do you know what was the last one Doom was run on? We need to check that. Can it run Doom? Can it run... 84. I know it was run on a pregnancy test. Which is... Let's see...speaker-0

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The boy or the girl, it's a monster.speaker-1

So Doom, Doom run inside Excel of course, VS Code, AirBuds have been running it and yeah, it was actually they used brain cells to play Doom. There was a science project, let me find it.speaker-0

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A mind freak that is.speaker-1

Let's see, human brain cells on a chip learn to play Doom in a week. Neural powered computer chips can now be easily programmed to play a first person shooter game, bringing their biological computers a step closer to useful applications like playing Doom.speaker-0

full applications. I like the wording of that.speaker-1

So it was actually in, there was a cortical labs in Australia back in 21. They used neuron powered chips to play Pong and it consists of more than 800,000 living brain cells. That's insane. And now they have developed an interface to program these chips more easily and they use it to play Doom.I mean, I played Doom better than a randomly firing player, but far below the performance of the best human players.speaker-0

Well, most people won't really live up to that, right? I mean, there's always someone who spends like 24 hours a day honing their skill to become that super cool dude who can like make the game like clear the game at highest level.speaker-1

It's wild. And speaking of running things, there's a new movement or a new competition section where what's called the No CPU. Have you heard about that?speaker-0

No, seems a little bit pointless to run anything without a CPU.speaker-1

There's an Amiga competition called No CPU Amiga Challenge and it actually does not use the CPU at all. runs on... Let's see how it works. The Amiga custom chip.speaker-0

Yeah, the blitter, the copper, the whatever.speaker-1

Alice, Lisa and Paula in the ARGA versions of the chipset.speaker-0

Yes, Polar is the ship for the audio and Denise and Lisa later that's the graphics chip.speaker-1

Okay, yeah. So the challenge aims to discover how powerful these chips really are by exploring what they can do completely on their own without the CPU even telling them what to do. there was, I think there was one of the awards went to no CPU contribution. I forget the name. So that's pretty wild.Soon we don't need CPUs, custom chips and brain cells.speaker-0

Okay, an AI, because everything beats AI.speaker-1

So yeah, no, no, absolutely not.speaker-0

That's your rage button there, isn't it?speaker-1

Yes, F that. Looking at the screen, coming up is the business forum, here at Revision. And while that is running, we will have some cat revenge by Skaven from Finland.speaker-0

Here it comes.speaker-0

We love the demo scene!speaker-1

The cats have been revenged.speaker-0

No, they did the revenge. are talking about cats. They always do revenge stuff. Yeah, I shouldn't trust them.speaker-1

No, I agree. Do not trust them at all.speaker-0

I like cats, but you don't, right?speaker-1

No, not a particular fan, no. But that song is good. And Skaven is always great. He's from Finland. He works at Remedy, actually. The Remedy game company.speaker-0

I think he was born the same year as I am.speaker-1

Yeah, okay, so 1859.speaker-0

Yeah, exactly. 1842.speaker-1

IT42. And he, one of those first soundtracks he made for a game called Death Rally. I think it was in 94. I'm checking the Retro Spirit here. That's Retro.gg. Death Rally. Death Rally was 96 actually. And yeah, the soundtrack there is Kickass. And of course it is because it's made by Skaven.speaker-0

Yeah, he also calls himself Skaven232 in later songs.speaker-1

252 or 232? Okay, so it changes, subtract the 20.speaker-0

Yep. Okay.speaker-1

Gotcha. Yes, right now there is a business forum on the stage here at Revision 2026. Business forum is where the sponsors tell everybody about what they're doing and if they have perhaps an interesting proposal where you could connect with them and see what they can do for you or you can do for them.speaker-0

And now a word from our sponsors. Well, we don't have any, no need for that.speaker-1

That's not how we operate. operation, yeah, there's... If I had to choose one word for the entire room here, it's either working, busy, or focused.speaker-0

That over there looks like a Vectrex. it be? No, no it is not. But it looked like that. They had some kind of graphic stir that looks exactlyspeaker-1

I see a screen in front of me, a CRT that's giving me a epileptic attack here. I don't know what that is. It's showing some scrolling and zooming texts in and out.speaker-0

I think that's gonna be some of the demos tonight. I hope so. It looks really good. I love demos like this.speaker-1

I don't know if some are really protective of their craft and they don't show anything. That's why they sit in the back so nobody can see behind them.speaker-0

Yeah, exactly. It's like the introvert part of the whole.speaker-1

We talked to Spacey a couple of days back from New Zealand and we asked him where to sit and he suggested that well if you're an introvert and very protective of your craft and if you're competing then you want to all the way back so nobody can see over your shoulder.speaker-0

It's a bit paranoid maybe as well. But nobody should see my... They should copy my nice work.speaker-1

But looking at the, if you go to twitch.tv slash revision party, there you can see a live stream of the indoor venue and outdoor as well because there's a large outdoor area where you can go and pick up some stuff.speaker-0

Yeah, that's not a bad idea at all, am I?speaker-1

the food area in case you need some grub or fresh air.speaker-0

Sir, more beer. Air, yeah, yeah, air, I said air. Fresh beer.speaker-1

Fresh beer? Fresh beer, yeah. that is the status right now. Nothing is really going on except for the business forum. think they're already done. don't know. think you go up to them, actually. They're up front today. They're not talking over the speakers.speaker-0

Nope, that's good. I mean, we don't need more amplified noise. I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding.speaker-1

But was that acid jazz, acid rave behind us has finally toned down. So now we can relax our ears.speaker-0

Yeah, I don't know if my ears are broken or that they stopped playing. Either one could be true.speaker-1

Yeah, I mean, when you're born in 1852, your ears have heard quite a lot. the years. But I'll throw you a curveball again. All right. Because that's that's fun. These curveballs are songs that we played maybe yesterday, but I didn't hear them and I want to hear them because I freaking handpicked them. I want to hear them. I just want to make sure. So we are.speaker-0

Absolutely.speaker-0

You're still mad about that, aren't you?speaker-1

Of course going to the best game ever maybe Jazz Jackrabbit. It's from the first one. It's level three and this time it's Medieval by Robert A Allen and while you frantically search for the song. already done wow. And I'll throw you another curveball because we're gonna play two songs and the next one after that is Elysium by Jester of Sanity andThis is a staple of the demo scene, think. The bottom one there, So we get two kickass songs, the first one from Jazz Jackrabbit and then some Elysium Magic.speaker-0

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Elysium, favorite online, really a good Amiga thingspeaker-1

And I just got a notification on my phone that my vacuum robot is stuck. And looking at the map he's actually stuck under the kitchen for some reason or behind some kitchen things.speaker-0

Yeah, that's kind of how it ends, isn't it? I mean, those are not good. The Roombas, whatever. They just get stuck. They lose connection. They lose battery. They drive somewhere they shouldn't be, or they just shut down, or they get hacked or something.speaker-1

Well, it's been, of course, it has a famous statement, it has never happened before. That's pretty. But speaking of robots, we got a robot actually here at Revision as well.speaker-0

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Yeah, a big one, like those eyeballs, but this looks more like a Boston Dynamics one. It's four-legged and it has no head and it... No, it doesn't bark nor does it bite.speaker-1

Just the bar.speaker-1

But it's a robot dog, it looks like those Bosnian dynamic robots that you see on YouTube. It runs around and try to avert danger. It was running behind us here yesterday.speaker-0

I think it's spying on us.speaker-1

Yes, or collecting data for its large language model or something.speaker-0

We're teaching it how to do good radio.speaker-1

But yeah, it was pretty big as well. It has an imposing kind of impact when it runs about. But it uses cameras and stuff and tries to avoid running into things. yeah, we saw him just run past here earlier.speaker-0

Yeah, yesterday I saw him trying to like traverse the steps down to the toilet. Actually, was kind of good at it. It kinda got stuck like twice, but it got down. It got down the Yeah, it totally did and not falling down. No, actually it was able to properly go down.speaker-1

down the stairs.speaker-1

That stair is actually pretty steep.speaker-0

When I was a kid I learned about programming the way that they say, think about a robot, it works perfectly fine but it can't handle stairs because you need to program that specifically for the robot because that's another function. That's how I was taught that that's how it works but today it does not. Today it's actually better and better to kind of anticipate stuff and it's also better to handle the situations without any extra coding.speaker-1

And you know that for human people it's easier to go up than down. So I think it's the same for robots. I think you can tilt the camera up and look up where you're going. But if you don't have camera underneath the body, then you're looking into space or thin air. And you have to tilt downwards to see where you're going.speaker-0

Yeah, and the robot doesn't have any kind of sentience. It doesn't see the world like a human being would, which means you don't know, you don't have any awareness about what you're supposed to do.speaker-1

But also, of course, through learning and walking a lot of stairs, it figures out how to handle them. But that was, yeah, if it went down the stairs, that was pretty impressive because those stairs are pretty steep.speaker-0

Yeah, absolutely. I think that's cool because it's kind of where those robots fail in general. So we can see a new generation of stuff that's kind of able to do this.speaker-1

Yeah, the robots, I mean there are a lot of creative setups here and of course a lot of old hardware and people tinkering away at their either productions or just a demo or maybe just a hobby project that they're not submitting but just want to showcase.speaker-0

That's a possibility. You go to the biggest demo party and you make a super cool demo and then you keep it to yourself. That's smart.speaker-1

That was like what Truk did. He said he never really released a demo until he did. There was a website about him. Has Truk released a demo yet?speaker-0

And eventually he did. But what was the reception? Was it any good?speaker-1

Yeah, I think people were like, holy crap, it actually happened. Just like with the Back to the Future. Are we in the future yet dot com? Do you remember that? That that that was a website where it ticked down to the date on the the. Docs or the doctors like display in the car future, which was 2015 or something.speaker-0

No, not really,speaker-0

The second one, yeah.speaker-0

YeahYeah, in October I think it was, or November maybe.speaker-1

So that was that was the future so officially DDS Demon we are in the futurespeaker-0

Yeah, a number of years ahead in the future even. Yes.speaker-1

Now it's the post modernistic future or whatever Something something there, but yes, we'll see if we can get somebody on to Interview we did a couple of interviews yesterday with that were those were pretty well Received I think so we'll see what we can dig up today and while we dig up thatspeaker-0

Yeah, yeah, yeah.speaker-1

we are gonna dig up some more music and yeah instead of just saying it we're just gonna play it so enjoy the next enjoy the next song here we gospeaker-0

Alright, that was EA, not Electronic Arts though. And the song, yeah well, it's called, okay thanks for skipping ahead here, it's called Revenge of the Autumn. E E E E E E E E E E E E Espeaker-1

Have you seen the meme? Instead of EA and all that, it just replaced everything with E.speaker-0

E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E Espeaker-1

Yeah, I think that that version was much better than the original.speaker-0

Everything is better without Garfield. The only thing I can agree with him is like Moldova is not nice.speaker-1

Hill of lasagna is it?speaker-0

Yeah lasagna is nice. Look at my body and you will see exactly what that leads to.speaker-1

If you're on Discord, we have posted some links there to where you can check out more info of what we are, of course, playing, but also just keep up to speed on everything that's happening here from Revision 2026. And of course, there's the revision-party.net if you want to see the timetable and the stream and all that thingamajig.I'll fire up the stream here in a little while. Okay, so have the Twitch stream on my screen here and right now it actually shows, let's see, it shows the outdoor area. And the theme this year, what is it, Digidemon?speaker-1

It's the power within.speaker-0

within. It was something like within but I really couldn't remember that.speaker-1

Revision is making a statement against of course all the large corporations eating up everything that's hardware related for their evil games and we're fighting against that idiot.speaker-0

Yeah, yeah, I totally get it. That's your soapbox.speaker-1

And of course the beam slides, which is like the graphics around the event, Evilbot has made his reappearance and he is back in full force this year. So lot of computer related blips and blobs and old hardware monitoring what's going on at Revision.And yeah, looking at right now there's a live feed from inside the venue. Seems like it's focused up on stage and it's swirling around. You see it, Digidemon? So let's see if it swirls around to us and perhaps we can wave. Right now it's pointing to the left. If it could point down and to the right, that would be great.speaker-0

I can see it, absolutely.speaker-0

You think someone is listening to us from from upside down? Yeah, I knowspeaker-1

They're always listening But that's that's a bit further up, but if we can wave if you get we have Next to us we have a guy from Germany who had a set of lead Cube that he has programmed and made himself. Oh, we're swirling back now. Let's see if we can wave and See ourselves on on screen on stream It's swirling back now to the right side and if you raise your hand is it evenPerhaps we can see ourselves as we wave. We're looking for that cube of his. There's the cube. if you it, I'm to the left there on the picture. Can you see me? It quickly passed by, but that was the area we were sitting. So to the left-ish of the current stream. You can see that for yourself on twitch.tv slash revision party.speaker-2

weekend.speaker-0

Can you see me,speaker-1

And right now it's focusing on the main orgasm balcony. There four of them sitting, keeping a watchful eye over everything that's going on and making sure that stuff runs smoothly.speaker-0

Seems good, seems good.speaker-1

Coming back again, let's see if we can get a second 15 minutes of fame. I don't know.speaker-0

15 seconds of fame. You can see the back of our heads. That's very very noisy.speaker-1

Yeahspeaker-1

No, you can actually see if it turns more, you can see the front of us. If you're looking up, I think it's one of the cameras up there. It's a bit hard because it's dark. It's not that dark in here as it looks on stream, but yeah, okay, it has switched now. So if you look on the stream, we are on the one, two, three, let's see, one, two, three, four, about fifth.speaker-0

Okayspeaker-1

table from the bottom on the right side and there's a cube there that rotates a lead cube a small cube and we are sitting just To the right of there. and the stream now shows our favorite friendspeaker-0

The dog. The dog.speaker-1

The robot dog is running around with a box on top of him. I'm not sure what he's...speaker-0

I think he's trying to hide under it. I don't know.speaker-1

what he's all about he's collect perhaps collecting no he will attempt to go down the down the curb or has he stoppedspeaker-0

Yeah, it seems so.speaker-1

It seems like he has a camera in front so he can see downwards much more easily. this dog knows how to traverse both up and down in avert danger, which is good. A lot of people are standing around taking pictures of the dog, which has a box on him. and he jumped off. He actually jumped off stage and now he's very calculated running off.speaker-0

It's good.speaker-1

into the night, into somewhere else to check out what's going on there. The dog is... I don't know, it has a mind of its own. Is it being controlled or is it controlling someone? Who knows? It's coming back so perhaps we will get a second showing of him here.speaker-0

Something like that.speaker-1

Yeah, that's our robot dog. Do you have a nickname for him?speaker-0

I don't know, think like Fido-net, Fido-net, he should be known as Fido-net. Fido-net? Yes, absolutely.speaker-1

He's pretty agile. He's walking up those stairs like no tomorrow. That's pretty cool.speaker-0

Absolutely that's not bad.speaker-1

making sure that the evil overlords are represented here by their robot. And he's jumping agilely from step to step, showing off for the fans at the venue, and becoming right now the center of attention on the main screen stream over at twitch.tv slash revision party.What's the time schedule for what's coming up like later on today, Digidemon?speaker-0

You say that when I don't have this good schedule in front of me But I think next up is to ask you and see and pet skiffing and that would be 5 p.m. Here central European timespeaker-1

Yeah, well, I think you're jumping a bit ahead because the next big thing is... Let's see, there's a behind-the-scenes Beam Team Tour, then some Lightning Talks, which has intro to PC... Intro to PC intro coding, and then the Shader Showdown Finals at 5.speaker-0

Possible,speaker-0

yeah, yeah, yeah.speaker-0

It's like we have a really good tight schedule ahead of us.speaker-1

we do and then it goes back to back with kick-ass content and yeah we'll keep you posted as things evolve here and why not let's see I'm pointing at the screen is it this one that's the next one? the big one okay okay the big one I'll just always watch for thatspeaker-0

Yeah, the big one.speaker-0

What you should do, ok sorry, a little bit technology-ish. If you can see the check mark, that's played. The first one that the... Yeah, cross circle means it's next.speaker-1

The first circle. Aha, okay, well, here we go.speaker-0

Yeah, that's quite a song. It's... Okay, it had to do that as well. Of course it did. It's Mind, CM and Climbing. So we got more music, a favorite one. Something that came out pretty, well, recently. It's Doctor Future and Plastic Pops. Plastic Kills... What does it say? Plastic Kills Live Mix.So what's happening right now? Not that much. The slideshow is on and showing what's coming up next and some information about down parties that we are waiting for. Looking around we also see a lot of interesting things going on. People working on productions that will be run later today I would guess. Some really cool demos. It's like having a sneak preview or something.Well, that's the whole thing. You're tuned to EricK. Radio and we'll keep broadcasting until 5 o'clock today.speaker-0

Yeah, you heard this song on the podcast Flashback tracks from the past You know the one that's called The Road to Saarbrucken Saarbrucken I will continue saying that the wrong way so much I'm sorry if you live in Germany I'm not good with the language And when you walk around here in Germany People talking English Well, it's not uncommon per se But you kinda go into your favorite Uber And they barely speak English And someSometimes in some places they speak a little and some of them are really quite good at it. So it's like if you go to Scandinavia like Sweden or Norway everybody pretty much knows how to speak English. It's because we were taught that in our schools back in the day and it has been like that for many years. So if you are not... If you are traveling around in Europe you should know that Central Europe is generally not as good as Scandinavia to talk.English, but also you have to contend with most of us Scandinavians sound like this Swedish chef, you know, Swinglish. Bork bork people!speaker-1

Go.speaker-0

Yeah, we got a lot of interesting music from a lot of demo parties during the last, I don't know, five to six years. Because we started broadcasting in 2020 after the corona made me work from home and I needed some kind of hobby. So radio is cool. I've done, oops, sorry. I've done it a number of years.What you just heard was Human 2 Aurora, an Amiga mod by Horace Wimp, a really cool one. A little bit like fantasy themed if you ask me. So what's going on on revision right now? Well, we are waiting for the next big thing, which Coris told us will start in 10 minutes from now. So yeah, that's what's going on.Looking around here, well, people are doing all kinds of creative stuff. Preparing as I said for the next big demo, compo or something like that. And remember that you should register on the Revison webpage. You need a ticket to do so, but then you can actually vote in the competitions. And vote you should, it's really good if you could. Going on with the river and bunny hop back.speaker-0

hopped back obviously and that was River the artistspeaker-1

It hopped back and forth. And we're hopping back and forth between songs that we have not played and have played a bit today. some of the songs are... Yesterday we had a lot of just different things we had to sort out. And I've thrown you a couple of curveballs and I'm gonna throw you another one here now.speaker-0

Yep.speaker-1

We played some from Jazz Jackrabbit, which was also yesterday. And now I want to hear a good one from our Swedish friend and K-Lite and Romeo Knight. So the Swedish friend is Firefox with Fall from Sky. Let's see how fast DJ Demon can search the database here for the song.Taking the time here, it's 3, 2, oh, it's already on. yep, and in a little while we'll have an interview with one of the partygoers here. So that would be very cool, looking forward to it.speaker-2

Watch the guys, button's turned blue. We're freezing again. Thanks a lot.speaker-2

Fading day will hide the pain, and knowing you will break the chain as time slows downspeaker-0

Hi, yes, Firefox and some friends. That's how good it can be when the scene is made up and the song was as I said fall from sky. Ericade dot radio and we are gearing up for an interview with a scene here. We are preparing it so you have to wait a few minutes before that happens. And as we said, the next cool stuff is about to happen here on revision. We talk more about it as it's going on and the big likeswitch back to the whole demo scene, the compa part and stuff that happens in an hour from now that would be at 5 p.m. here on well revision so we are going on with now we are going on with some music and it's time for well that would be an unknown artist and we know this one it's Dragon Slayerspeaker-0

Just kidding, it's actually Sorge Musics and Steel Chambers.speaker-0

Saga Musics that was of course as steel chambers so I miss Can I label the whole thing but next up is actually Dragon's Lair by an unknown artist We played it a few days ago, so it's nothing specialspeaker-1

nothing special. This song is very special. This, it's, yes, this song is kick ass. It's worth looping at least 10 times, but we're...speaker-0

Later.speaker-0

Yes.speaker-0

Okay, so here it comes, here it comes ten times.speaker-1

All right, we'll see, we'll see.speaker-0

From a demo party, live with your hosts DJ Damon and Corius.speaker-1

Hey, there we are, Greylag runners by Rapture. And the music of course, great timing behind us here. We're live from revision 2026 here in Saarbrücken, And our next guest here at the desk is actually one of the nice people sitting close by to us. It's namely Oil Keep. Welcome!speaker-2

Hey, how's it going?speaker-1

How are you finding revisions so far?speaker-2

it's amazing, absolutely. First time here and I'm totally blown away.speaker-1

so you haven't been to revision before?speaker-2

No, not yet. I've watched the streams and the YouTube recordings of it in the past, but I've never been to this part of Germany, so first time for me. I am German. I am from Cologne, the area. I've been to Evoke before, but never been to Zabrucken or Revision.speaker-1

But you are a German.speaker-1

Yeah, we as well. We've never been... We've covered the demo parties around in Sweden and Scandinavia, but never in Germany. So we thought we would go to the biggest one of them all here in Germany. And here we are. So I think we should start with just go back a bit. How did you get into the scene? When did you start?speaker-2

Yeah, good question. As I've mentioned, I've picked it up on YouTube. I've been interested in games, computer graphics, from a young age. Never really done much with it, doing a bit of content creation, maybe making a map or a mod for a video game. And then exploring some of these concepts, maybe writing a shader here and there.looking at what other very cool things and creative things people do and work within some very hard constraints of some machines or platforms. That always intrigued me. I wanted to check it out in person and maybe also find some inspiration to create something in the future.speaker-1

Have you found some inspiration here?speaker-2

Yeah, for sure. I'll add it to my long list of projects to maybe do someday.speaker-1

Doom backlog as they call it where you just have a lot of project that you never get to finish In like so you started back when you were a kid that's 80s 90s 2000sspeaker-2

It's like early 2000s. Maybe not the classical home computer scene. It was a bit different. some developers, they shipped an SDK with their games and we toyed around with that. We had our little group of friends at school that was for some of the more...speaker-1

32,000.speaker-2

know, some of these early, very trashy 2000 shooters that had like, I don't know, 50 or 100 players. And we were kind of the one community that was generating content for it. Because nobody else cared, but we had the SDK and...speaker-1

What games did you create stuff for? yeah, I played it. It's a German game. Where is the Swiss game?speaker-2

That was like Chaser. Do you remember that game?I think they are from Slovakia.speaker-1

It was I remember it was janky but charmingspeaker-2

Yeah, and it had the SDK or map editor which was really... I think it some small studio from Bratislava, they don't exist anymore. yeah, had fun time making maps and then dragging them out on LAN parties back in the day.speaker-1

So let's...speaker-1

Yeah, chaser, let's see what's the tagline. Fight your way through hell.speaker-2

It's one of those, you know, forgettable 2000 shooters, that has been really impactful in getting me into computer graphics.speaker-1

You're right, was Bratislava, developed by Cauldron HQ, and then acquired by Bohemia Interactive later on. I remember that game, I actually remember at the student village where I was living, a guy was playing it next door. was like, what is that game? And he's like, nah, it's just a shooter. I recall it being somewhat difficult, but like...Yeah, it had a jank in a way. That was cool, but still. So, of course we need to ask you, your first computer, what was it?speaker-2

some handed down things from my parents.speaker-2

Yeah, some... Yeah, like 2.386, something like that. Playing Microsoft Flight Simulator on it, something like that. And I remember I had a really bad screen that the longer you ran it, the more blurry it would get. So I could only use it for like an hour at a time or something like that.speaker-1

You had to only pick the short flight route. And you've, from what I gather, you work as a computer engineer, so you like programming, obviously, so much that you brought your own kind of thingamajig to the party. I'm actually looking at it right now to my left here. Tell us, what is this thing actually?speaker-2

Absolutely.speaker-2

Yeah, so this is the cube of LEDs. I saw earlier it has been really helpful for locating yourself, locating us in the big hall because it's very visible on camera and on the live stream. So yeah, somebody handed, it sounded like this again, somebody handed me down their old 3D printer and I thought, let's maybe learn a bit of CAD and build a cube and put, you know, this...LED string into it. And of course, you know, we can light it up, but what if I run some pattern and I film it and I can somehow use maths to resolve the positions and then run volumetric animations in it? And so that's what it's doing. It's a bit like, almost a bit like writing a shader. So we have a program.speaker-1

Tell us a bit about the hardware that's running this.speaker-2

Yeah, so this is a very standard hardware from AliExpress. It's like an ESP32 and it's driving this. I think it's a 7080 LED string. It's like a fairy light string. It has a bunch of addressable LEDs. So yeah, used to run MicroPython and over the course of revision I ported this to Rust. So now it's much cooler, much faster, but looks exactly the same.speaker-1

And it runs micropython.speaker-2

Other than a few glitches, so I haven't...speaker-1

Yeah, so it's a cube connected with 3D printed parts,speaker-2

Yeah, yeah, it's a free printed part and it's like, I don't know, like...speaker-1

It's like a hollow standard cube from Blender or any 3D program. then you have wires going through like insets on each of the walls kind of or the edges. And you told me a fascinating thing about like how you figure out which lead it is. Because like it's... When you put it together all the leads are just a long...strip right it's not connected or fixed in a certain position and then you just roll it around in whatever pattern you you feel like and then you have to figure out what lead is where tell us about how how that stuff works because that was fascinatingspeaker-2

Yeah, so I have a special mode where it displays like a calibration pattern and it's I think a sequence of seven or eight frames where each LED will kind of pulse out its ID or position in the string kind of. So it has like three colors, red, green, blue, so you have base three, you know, you can represent three digits in each frame. yeah, then you film that with my smartphone from...speaker-1

actually take pictures or filmspeaker-2

Yeah, no, I film it so can get the... You could take pictures, it would take a bit longer, But I film it from a bunch of perspectives, extract all the frames, try to determine the colors again, which is, you know, getting the exposure right if you've ever done photography, especially... ...of lights. It can be tricky and then do a bunch of maths trick and...speaker-1

Photogrammetry, I know.speaker-2

try to solve the position in space from this.speaker-1

So how much video footage do you need? How many frames do you need to solve? This cube is small, you also have a larger one, but for this small one, how much video footage do you need?speaker-2

I took like maybe let's say six, seven different perspectives. You can probably do it with less. But yeah, sometimes the detection will not work out. Something will be occluded. The colors exposure will be off. So it's better to have too much data. But yeah, I don't know. It took me about 15 minutes. I went to like a Runex store that had a bit of a...speaker-1

brightly lit or evenly lit.speaker-2

Even the lit environment, not the craziness of the main EVAC hall, no. But yeah, did that yesterday, early in the day, and it worked out. It's not perfect, for sure. But yeah, with the content, you cannot tell it.speaker-1

in here.speaker-1

No, it looks awesome. It's pulsing or waving different colors here in 3D space. You told me that it is projecting a figure. It might be hard to tell from just a few LEDs that you have here.speaker-2

Yeah, no, this is a... It's very simple. This is just a plane that is rotating randomly around two axes. And then we are kind of visualizing that the one side of the plane is colored. You see it. It's brightly lit up, changing the color all the time. And the other side is just black, so the LEDs are turned off and this produces a really nice effect.speaker-1

And I challenged you yesterday because I wanted when you started it was very epileptic inducing it was really bright and blinking all the time so I asked you if you can make it really smooth wavy and yes you havespeaker-2

Yeah, thanks. It's still a work in progress and we'll see. Maybe we'll have some more happy accidents and figure out some cool new content.speaker-1

So you're planning on updating it more?speaker-2

Yeah, for sure.speaker-1

You should have, if I can give a suggestion, like if it pulsates from the inside, like goes to you, if you imagine a 2D circle, then it kind of like the inner circle and then it pulsates the outer circle that's wider in diameter and so and so. So it kind of like pulses outwards or inwards. That would be very cool.speaker-2

Let's try it out. Maybe later tonight we can have it ready.speaker-1

And that's the spirit of revision, like people are just, and the demo scene in general, people are just creating the most fantastic things and having this creative energy and everything is kind of sometimes made up on the spot, often made up on the spot. How long did this thing take to make?speaker-2

I think printing time is a day or two maybe. This has been through many iterations. think writing the software that took a weekend to get the first prototype working and then refinement over many, many weeks.speaker-1

So this cube is let's say about 15-20 centimeters by 15-20 centimeters every direction XYZ. But you have a larger one as well.speaker-2

Something like that, Yeah, correct. So this is actually the prototype. And I built a large one. So when I knew this was working from a mechanical, electrical, and you know, software point, I decided to build a big one where I ordered some. That is, so the sides are one meter long. And I made them out of like carbon fiber tube that I ordered from China.speaker-1

And how big is that?speaker-1

And people, where can people go and check out this stuff if they want to because you have a repository on githubspeaker-2

Yeah, it's on GitHub and the cube project, if you go to emergent-order.de, there you can find all the details and all the software from the big cube. It's emergent-order.de. Let's see if it's checking a screen.speaker-1

It was emergent.Order!speaker-1

I just googled it. But you said that emergent order dot dspeaker-2

I'll get some.speaker-2

Yeah, you just put that in as a domain. yeah, that looks nice WebGL animation. GitHub link and there's also the authoring tool where you can play around with it. It's basically shader toy for point clouds.speaker-1

Yeahspeaker-1

And then, yeah, there is...speaker-1

Very cool. Point clouds.speaker-1

Yeah, very... Wow, that's very cool. We'll have a little music break and then we'll come back and talk more with you, Oil Heap. yeah, DJ Demon, looking at the playlist. What do you have for us?speaker-0

We got something really nice here, let me see. Here we are on this list. We are next coming up with the Bonefish and Joss and Migg. That is quite a combination. The song is called Dan Dan Da Da.speaker-1

Dan Dan Dada by Bonefish, Joss and Mygg. And it was released at GERP 2024. It placed actually first in the Amiga 4 channel competition. Before the break, we were talking to Oilhip. We are still talking to him. Thank you very much for being here and of course being talking to us. So before the break, we talked about your fantastic 3D cube.with LEDs and of course there's a lot of people here at Revision creating stuff of all kinds. There's a robot dog running around, are LED strips and there are just crazy productions and pixel art and everything. So there's a lot of things to see and in that regard what you look forward to at Revision this year. Anything that you'd likefavorite combo or other things that you look forward to.speaker-2

Yeah, I think the main combo block, I mean, we've seen some good stuff so far, the shader showdown, like qualifier or quarters yesterday evening. But yeah, looking forward to getting some of the first combos running on the big screen in the big hall. So far, only seen them on the internet and I'm really excited to experience that in person.speaker-1

You were here yesterday as well sitting next to us. We were enjoying the shader showdown qualifications. And that final is beginning in half an hour or so on the big screen with Dr. Floppin and Cortex. And yeah, was one more that I forget.speaker-2

Absolutely.speaker-1

There were some awesome things on display and I'm really looking forward to it today. What have you seen so far? Do you have any favorites of stuff that has been shown?Were you here at the Track Music Compo which was at like 12 today?speaker-2

No, no, was not, sadly. was recovering from last night, doing a bit of running some errands, doing a bit of shopping. No, seen that one. Yeah, I'm just excited to see, as you mentioned, all the hardware and gear people brought. It's so very diverse. lot of old systems that, you know, probably...way older than myself, very obscure stuff that they have. But then people have modded it, made it their own, created custom cases, stuff like that. everyone's really nice about it. And if you ask them, they will explain a lot and tell you all the interesting stuff and all the quirks about it.speaker-1

because people are so passionate about their craft here and they're more than happy to share and give insight into what the heck they're working on, like yourself. And that's just fantastic. I really like and appreciate that. Today is a heavy hitter day in terms of demo scene events, the modern graphics, the Amiga intros, the old school demos, all of that.is happening, let's see, it's happening, old school demo, 3D graphics, and Amiga intros, all that is happening from like six and then outwards. this will be definitely a time, perhaps we'll talk to you later in here, perhaps you have more like new favorites or things that you have seen.speaker-2

I'm not going anywhere and I'm sure I can report back and tell you something new.speaker-1

We are a reporter in the field. Have you met anyone that you've talked to only digitally before, but now met in real life here in Rishen or other parties?speaker-2

I digitally know, but I've met some people, talked to them, and then realized, yeah, you actually live quite close by, or you organize a demo party that is just a few towns away, and I've never heard about it. And yeah, lot of these nice coincidences. Also meeting or seeing a lot of people that I know from other non-demo scene parties or conferences related toYeah, computers and technology. it's, yeah, some people, you know, they're just familiar faces and it's like, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. It's like, yeah, I guess you're also in this scene and that's great. Yeah.speaker-1

No, I'm from that other place.speaker-1

Yeah, it's very fun to see. Here's almost a philosophical question, but I think it's an interesting one. In your mind, what do you think makes so many people take their Easter holiday off, travel hundreds, if not thousands of miles to go to a remote place in Germany to take part in this digital arts festival?speaker-2

Wow, that's indeed a very philosophical question.Yeah, I think there's a big sense of community. see we had the awards yesterday evening, lots of groups that have been working together for long time. I guess for, especially if you're collaborating remotely, I know this from other conferences, it's not so much for the conference, but I guess to meet the people, to share some good time. And then, yeah, also see what other people are working on.because there so many people doing so many cool things. get some inspiration, get a beer together with some folks and share the creativity.speaker-1

The demo scene is one of the most inclusive communities I've talked to or been to. It contradicts the vibe you got from how it was back in the 80s and 90s. It was very competitive and was this... Do you, Dimon, you know more about this? The Lamers and all that?speaker-0

Yes, absolutely. was kind of like if you weren't cool you were a lamer and the lamer was kind of like the noob of its day if you remember.speaker-1

Yeah, so people were very protective of their stuff and like hardcore competition and yeah, almost like you had there was a certain threshold you had to pass in order to be included.speaker-0

But you have to understand, people were younger back then, so it wasn't kinda... Today people are like in their 30s, 40s or 50s and you know how that works. You kinda calm down, you mellow down a bit and you're nicer all together. It's just having fun is the important thing. driver. Yeah, I think so.speaker-2

That's one thing I've been wondering about. Yesterday at night when I took the shuttle bus back to the hotel, I had some people at the bus stop talking. Yeah, back in the day, we used to, we had some classroom in Sweden on cold concrete or sleeping under the desk next to my computer so it doesn't get stolen the first few years. thought, huh, this is...I wonder if, you know, this is my first time being at Revision, if I want to have the proper experience, should I be taking the shuttle bus back to my cozy hotel in the city or should I, you know, maybe be sleeping, you know, with you guys here under the radio table and being very uncomfortable, maybe that is the more authentic experience. But then again, I have a hotel.speaker-0

Yeah, so do we. So I guess it's wear outs, it's welcome when you've it a number of times. yeah, now I think most people actually do go to some kind of hotel or hostel or something, right?speaker-1

Yeah, we talked to Spacey some days ago, a very nice guy, he mentioned that he was at a hotel that was very demo party focused. There was a lot of people from the demo scene, and he said, no, I'm not going back there anymore because there was just too much condensed demo scene stuff happening. And it was just too... When you come from a demo scene party and you go back and want to kind of like...unwind and relax and it's still going on at like 150 % or 150 kilometers an hour speed then yeah that was a bit too much but yeah that's it depends on your age I guess also like if you want the authentic experience people are sleeping over here so you can actually do thatspeaker-2

That's all, yeah.Maybe if I were a bit younger, would also do that.speaker-1

I think just like, times change and times advance and having a good night's sleep is important just to enjoy everything and people not being completely exhausted all the time, I think that's a benefit. yeah, each to their own, I guess. Let's see, have you gone to other demo parties this year or do you plan to?speaker-2

This year, no. I've been to Evoke last year because it's really close by to where I live. One of these things, I was talking to some people and they were like, yeah, why don't you go to Evoke? It's so close by and it's like, wow, I didn't even know that existed. Of course, let's go. Of course, different setting. It's in summer. It's a bit more, I would say, bit more sweaty, bit more crowded in the...in this climbing gym.speaker-1

Not as nicely ventilated as it is here.speaker-2

No, no. But yeah. Do you any plans? Yeah, this year. No, not so far. We'll see what develops. Probably we'll go to Evoke again just because of the logistics. It's really close to me. I realize there's also some, as I mentioned, there's some demo parties still happening in little villages close to where I live. But yeah, I have to...speaker-1

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put them in my calendar and make sure not to miss them because otherwise I will not know that they're going on.speaker-1

Do you have any heroes or people you look up to in the demo scene that you hope to meet here?speaker-2

I don't know if they're here, but yeah, I really enjoyed the demos back in the day a few years ago by Logicoma. they also did some, think it was even before the pandemic, they did some cool live streams where they really showed how they build a lot of these things and covered very like the basic concepts of how that works that has been really, I think, good educational content.to get some technical insights. that's one of the groups that, yeah, if they're here, I'd like to maybe share a beer with them or say hello. I don't know if they are though.speaker-1

No, I mean you can I don't know either but you can check on revision dash party dotnet There is a signup page which shows I guess not all of them, but it shows Many at least two of who is coming. So Looking at the visitors list there are currently at least for those who have registered 587 people and you said what did you say again?speaker-2

I didn't consider that, yeah, that's a good hint.speaker-2

What's the logic on that group there?speaker-1

Logic, let's try with logic. Let's see. Actually, see there's pretzel logic and there's no, I don't see anything from that at the moment. I also clicked wrong. So now I have submitted logic from Germany.speaker-2

Yeah, logic, yeah. Group name.speaker-1

I thought it was a search field. now we have one more visitor. If you see on the visitor's list and you see Logi, well, that's not a real person. yes, let's see. Yeah, we are gonna wrap up the interview here. We often or we always ask...people that are generous to talk to us of if you have a favorite tune you want to hear and this time we got the question turned back to us of like can you help me? I don't know or can't come up with a tune right now and of course we can so I've chosen a pretty nice one from the Belgium duo of Seror and what's the other guy called?speaker-0

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They are a Belgian duo and here's Fleur Colorez. And thank you so much for the interview and enjoy revision 2026.speaker-2

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Yes, that was that interview and it's time to start wrapping up stuff, right?speaker-1

Yep, are soon coming to an end for the broadcast here. are preparing on the big screen for the Shader Showdown finals that will start at 5. Well, usually they don't start on time. There's always some postponed stuff, but we'll see if that happens on time or not. yeah, thanks so much to Oilheap.for talking to us. Very cool to get out.in feeling of who's here, what they're doing and what drives them to come back.speaker-0

Yeah, absolutely. We have had like four or three different sinners talking so if you want to be interviewed here you can always send an email to radio at Eric aid dotnet or No, no if you're here, what do you do?speaker-1

Or if you're here you can just come talk to us. are the people sitting next to the newcomer sign. You can identify us by of course that glowing cube that we have been talking to, talking about, might be talking to it later, depends on how...speaker-0

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how out of it we get. No, we are the people with microphones and you have some, what's it called, mixer desk.speaker-0

Yeah, recording desk. looks like a Christmas tree.speaker-1

So it's kind of easy to identify us. We will still be on a little bit more and I think we need some more Alex. Now I'm gonna throw another curveball at you. Because why not? And we are gonna throw the curveball of Waterworld Dolphin Kingdom by Cyborg Jeff.speaker-0

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It's a remix or actually well, it's inspired by the Super Nintendo game Waterworld, which had a much better soundtrack than it ever had reason to be. The game itself sucks, but the soundtrack is fantastic. And Cyborg Jeff has done his interpretation of one of the songs from that game and it's called Dolphin Kingdom.speaker-1

So soothing there by Cyberg Jeff, that's not the name of the song, that's Dolphin Kingdom from the game Waterworld, but the song is so soothing and so smooth.speaker-0

Yeah, we are almost falling asleep here.speaker-1

So the shader showdown is about to begin in like one minute. We'll have to see if that holds true or not. Meanwhile, the main screen is running ads.speaker-0

Yeah, they're always a little bit late when it comes to those things, so we can count on it. But as soon as they start, I think we pack up our stuff for today.speaker-1

Looking at the stage there are three contestants checking their hardware and making sure that the keyboards and screen work because keyboard is the main weapon of a shader programmer.speaker-0

Yeah, and the brain is good to be smart, I guess.speaker-1

I think it was BTR yesterday, he's from Germany. He was complaining that he had a lot of problems typing because the... Perhaps he was not from Germany. No, he was not, but I think he had a German keyboard and that was the problem. A lot of the things he was typing, the keys were placed wrong.speaker-0

Yeah, okay, the keys were... That's the problem.speaker-1

So instead of a parenthesis you got an umlaut or something like that.speaker-0

Yeah, I actually saw a Chinese woman on the train many years ago. She had a portable computer during the time that was kind of uncommon and I couldn't see what the heck she was writing. was like signs, Chinese signs on all keys.speaker-1

Yeah, of course. That's if you haven't seen that Chinese computer that I'm actually going to look that up because Chinese laptop is keyboard. I think they are actually. they have now they have multi here. So you have the general alphabet, but also the Chinese keys next to them. So, yeah, looks very busy.from first look, but yeah. And very busy it is here at revision 2036 from the Ewerken Saarbrücken, Germany.speaker-0

Yes, absolutely. these people are here. They haven't dropped off or something.speaker-1

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And today is one of the main days where the big heavy-hitter compos are happening. There's a local stream now for all of us here. It EvilBot on the main screen there. If you want to follow the stream from here instead of going to Twitch.And you can also download releases from the FTP server at the...speaker-1

FTPdemoparty.net or something. that will... You're gonna download some releases from there for your next hitlist.speaker-0

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's gonna be so nicespeaker-1

I heard a couple of ones earlier from the tracked compo. I was really looking forward to hear them again because they sounded awesome.speaker-0

Absolutely, no doubt. Coming up, shader showdown 2026 final.speaker-1

And actually let me have a look at the... see... There it is. You can actually go and vote now for the track music thingamajig. So you should do that. And you can also vote for the game apparently.speaker-0

I think the trap music you can't vote for can you?speaker-1

The track music competition has...speaker-0

But that was late, earlier today.speaker-1

Yeah, but they don't have the... like you can vote... the awards isn't until like Monday, I think. So you can vote all the way through. But yeah, so there were like 15-16 songs in the track music compo and you can also vote for best game. There are, let's see, one... four or five games in that compo.speaker-0

yes, yes.speaker-1

So if you have if you either like on location There is a confetti popped here behind us And Eric aid was or did the demon was really scared there? Yeah, that's a now you're awake Yeah, you're if you if you were falling asleep now, you're awake mister Butspeaker-0

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If you have a ticket, either remote scene or are here in person, then you can go to revision-party and vote for the contributions or the entries there. And we'll soon wrap up as soon as they begin the shader showdown. But why not have some more Alexander Brandon? I think that's my next curveball.speaker-0

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Well, you have it here. want the... The Foundry? No, I want the Unreal Tournament menu music.And you danced. Also Alexander Brennan, made music for Deus Ex, Unreal and of course Jazz Jackrabbit. But Unreal Tournament was one of the best multiplayer games back when I was in college. We played a button of that on the local computer room in...